Ross Capon, Executive Director of the National Association of Railroad
Passengers (NARP), speaks to members of the Michigan Association of Railroad
Passengers (MARP) during the organization’s 35th annual membership meeting
at Durand Union Station in Durand, Michigan Sept. 20, 2008. To learn more
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Minutes of MARP&MHSRA meeting – August 16, 2008 – St. Joseph
MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OF RAILROAD PASSENGERS
MIDWEST HIGH SPEED RAIL ASSOCIATION
Joint Meeting
St. Joseph Public Library, St. Joseph, Michigan
August 16, 2008
Those Signing In: Hugh Gurney, Michael Frezell, June Troost, John Guidinger, Bob Tischbein, Hazel Rood, John Gottlick, Kay Chase, Jack Kessler, Jared Becker, Dwight Phillips, Jim Hinkins, J. R. Valderas, Diane Patterson, Robert Patterson, J. P. Des Camp, Roger Webster, Rich Vavra-Musser, John DeLora
Also Present: Rick Harnish, Midwest High Speed Rail Assn.; Juan Ganum, City of Niles; Nick Musson, Southwest Michigan Planning Commission; Robert Judd, Mayor, City of St. Joseph
Chairman DeLora called the meeting to order at 10:20 a.m. He thanked Vavra-Musser for the meeting arrangements.
Vavra-Musser introduced Robert Judd, Mayor of St. Joseph, who welcomed the group to the city. Judd expressed his desire to keep the Pere Marquette route open and initiate high speed rail service between St. Joseph and Chicago. He would appreciate anything MARP could do to further these objectives.
DeLora thanked Judd for his remarks and responded that MARP is on record as supporting continuation of Pere Marquette service no matter which way the high speed line is routed.
All in attendance introduced themselves.
Minutes of the June meeting in Owosso and the July meeting in Lapeer were reviewed and approved.
Second Pere Marquette: Because Amtrak has no excess equipment, the state of Michigan will have to rehabilitate damaged coaches at a cost of $200,000-$300,000 each, according to DeLora. A first approach will be to look for the funding from projects not completed in prior years. DeLora has asked Speaker Pro Tem Sak to check on how much might be available in such unexpended funds. If this approach is not fruitful, then we would then have to ask for additional money from the legislature. This is justified because Michigan trains are frequently sold out and there is no more capacity.
DeLora predicted that a second departure from Chicago around 11:00 a.m. connecting with numerous arriving trains and an evening departure from Grand Rapids would produce the most ridership, possibly 125% of the current Pere Marquette. However, an earlier departure would fit business schedules better. Other states are also planning to rehab cars, so we need to get in line. Cars can be rehabbed in about three months, so if the legislature acts, they could be in service by winter.
In response to a question from Vavra-Musser, DeLora indicated that resolutions from as many governmental bodies as possible would prod the legislature to act. Any cars rehabbed must be certified by Amtrak, so older coaches owned by Blue Water would not pass muster. DeLora responded to Mayor Judd by saying that Amtrak will operate any train that is paid for. He agreed with Judd that the ideal is to serve business.
Guest Speaker:
At this point, guest speaker Rick Harnish, President of the Midwest High Speed Rail Association entered the room and was introduced. He thanked all for their recent donations, which have made it possible for him to have an office separate from his residence. He then gave some background on MWHSRA, which was founded in 1993. At that time, Spain, France, Japan and Germany had at least one high speed line operating. The difficulty of implementing high speed rail in the United States has prompted the organization to resort to manageable objectives, such as having five daily trains operating from Chicago to Springfield in three hours or under. The concept is that if lobbyists were using the conventional trains, they would support high speed projects in the future. MWHSRA has been successful in getting funding for these five daily trains to Springfield plus one additional frequency to Carbondale and one to Quincy. Now the hope is to add trains to additional points in Illinois and to Grand Rapids.
According to Harnish, we need to take advantage of the upcoming change of administration in Washington. Because we will need as much support as possible, Harnish has helped form the Transit Riders Alliance, which now has an e-mail list of 35,000. This group has already demonstrated its effectiveness by barraging the Illinois governor with 1,600 e-mails protesting his proposal to slash Amtrak funding.
Now is the time for a huge expansion with as much as $200 million more expended on an expanded passenger rail system. If Amtrak is unwilling, METRA could run all Midwest trains.
One problem high speed rail faces in the U.S. is that the FRA prohibits high speed trains from operating on conventional tracks. In Europe, many high speed trains continue on conventional tracks direct to beaches, ski resorts and other destinations. Many began operation on conventional tracks through the cities until high speed lines were completed the entire distance of each route.
Harnish sees Spain as the model for the Midwest. That nation has a goal of having all points in Spain within three hours of Madrid. Harnish feels the Midwest’s goal should be similar – every major Midwest city within three hours travel time to Chicago by rail. In addition to high speed, Harnish visualizes a much expanded commuter rail network, with trains on many lines running as frequently as subway lines, similar to what Spain is doing.
Ganum commented that if high speed rail were available, Niles would be within commuting distance of Chicago. He feels the political will to make that possible is now there. DeLora and Phillips agreed that at the national level, they are seeing far more interest in passenger rail among Michigan’s federal delegation. Chase noted that more elected officials appeared pro-rail, but don’t seem to understand the implications of such a stand. Judd observed that from Michigan, we face bottlenecks in Indiana and Illinois. A second line into Chicago was torn out many years ago.
Vavra-Musser agreed that a high speed line from Porter, Indiana into Chicago would be a big improvement. DeLora responded that Amtrak had done a south of Lake Michigan study several years ago. Now Amtrak CEO Kummant sees a Chicago-Detroit high speed line as his showpiece, so action seems likely.
Harnish added that support from Mayor Daley is critical. Unfortunately, Illinois state government is dysfunctional at this time, so transportation improvements tied to a bid for the Olympics are unlikely. The proposed acquisition of the Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railroad by CN has also poisoned relationships with many suburban communities.
Harnish recommended that Michigan supporters develop a proposal for additional rail service in Michigan, a proposal that was specific enough for people to support, but not so specific that people would get lost in the details. The proposal would be something that could be accomplished in one year. It would build on routes that a public entity had already expended money on. He suggested that it be part of the ninestate Midwest High Speed Rail Plan. He recommended that the first Michigan proposal ask Michigan state legislators to fund one additional train on each route and ask Michigan’s federal legislators to fund the Porter-Chicago high speed line. He would urge Michigan to double its annual support from $7 million annually to $14 million. Some of this appropriation could go for more rolling stock. At the federal level, we would also ask for more equipment. When the first proposal is accomplished, we would then come up with a second proposal, then a third one year proposal.
Harnish suggested that supporters take every opportunity to attend political fundraisers and keep asking the question, “What about more trains?” If they keep hearing from constituents and receiving small donations from them, they will feel that there are votes out there supporting more trains. We need to talk about our proposal at every opportunity and put together a video to aid those for whom public speaking is not easy.
To all elected officials, we should be ready to ask, “Will you support _________________? Will you put that in writing”? Persuade them to introduce or co-sponsor a bill containing your proposal. When the bill goes to the conference committee, let the members of the conference committee know that it has a lot of support. This may require hiring a lobbyist.
Guidinger recalled that MARP did have a lobbyist at one time. He wondered if we could go together with TRU on hiring such a person.
In response to a question from the floor, Harnish agreed that the relationship between Amtrak and the states must change, with the states having more voice. Illinois has a large enough state supported system that they can negotiate with Amtrak from a position of strength. Also, MWHSPA can now afford a lobbyist, who can be at the table.
DeLora suggested an e-mail forwarding service which could keep in contact with legislators. According to Harnish, such a service would cost about $400 per month.
As to what is available for capital improvements from the federal government, $30 million can be expended this year on low cost, sure fire proposals. $100 million is proposed for next year.
In response to Mayor Judd’s concern about initiating commuter service from St. Joseph to Chicago, Harnish acknowledged that state lines complicate the issue. The three states involved must cooperate.
Returning to the issue of a lobbyist, Harnish reported that MWHSRA was paying $24,000 annually for one who also worked for an organization known as the Campaign for A Popular Vote. This lobbyist will be spending more time in Lansing and MARP should stay in touch with him. We need to push passenger trains as a #1 priority. Michigan already has a plan. Now is the time to say, let’s do this this year. Guidinger agreed and urged that we stick to promoting our proposal without beating up on others.
In promoting proposals for trains, Harnish urged that we stress cost effectiveness. Bringing a four lane highway into Galena, Illinois, the cost would be $1 billion. Four trains a day would cost $400,000. We need to talk about energy independence and all alternatives to the automobile, including trains and walking.
Vavra-Musser agreed and stated the alternative was a huge increase in gasoline taxes. One reason for the increase in oil prices is that North Sea production has started down. We need to change the “drill, drill, drill” message. Most of the oil being talked about is speculation – discoveries have not been confirmed. Easy to get oil and easy to get coal are gone. India and China are just getting started, added DeLora. Harnish urged coordination with transit in developing a statewide public transportation plan.
Harnish is trying to get high speed rail into the Obama strategy. He sees nothing positive concerning rail with McCain. In response to Guidinger’s concern about the bad name Amtrak has in some circles, Harnish urged that we keep the Amtrak name out of our discussions and proposals.
Wrapping up, Harnish stressed the need to develop a simple, affordable proposal that can be accomplished within a year or two. We need to then move it to passage by talking to and gaining the support of the people who interact with state legislators, the governor, and our federal representatives. We need to lobby. We need to get the message in the newspapers. We need to get candidates for state and federal offices supporting it. We need to attend political fundraisers and ask questions. In developing and pushing our proposal, we must stress the need, and not worry about the how . If Amtrak can’t run the trains, maybe the freight railroads can be paid to run them. What we need to stress is that we want a workable system.
DeLora suggested that we first review our vision, then develop the proposal. Harnish offered the following steps:
- Always show the state plan, the end product
Then offer the next step to the state plan
Point out the key problem, Chicago-Porter
Then note the second problem, Kalamazoo-East
Stress the need for rolling stock
Indicate what can be done right now
When talking to state legislators, point out what they can do and what the federal government needs to do. Ask state legislators to call their federal counterparts and demand Congressional action where needed. To Harnish, the ideal would be trains on all Michigan routes arriving in Chicago by 8:00 – 8:30 a.m.
Particularly when we talk about the national system, we need to support long distance trains as well as those running 400 mile trips. The most reasonable way to get frequent service Chicago-Cleveland is to have four Chicago-New York trains daily. We need to stress that a train is not a plane on the ground, but can connect many intermediate points.
In concluding, DeLora thanked Harnish for all his advice and urged that he join others for lunch at the St. Joseph station. The meeting adjourned at 12:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted:
Hugh D. Gurney, Secretary
Approved:
John DeLora, Chair
Minutes – July 12, 2008 – Lapeer
MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OF RAILROAD PASSENGERS
General Membership Meeting
GTW Railroad Depot, Lapeer
July 12, 2008
Those signing in: Hugh Gurney, Leonard D. Barry, Roger Webster, Dave Randall, John D. Langdon, Bob Tischbein, Rich Vavra-Musser, Jim Slater, Dick Pekarek, Bruce Swizzer, Jim Hinkins, Jim Wallington, Clark Charnetski, Robert Patterson, Dianne Patterson, Ken Henry, Kay Chase, Barry Boyce, Andrew Kent, Don Monteith, J. R. Valeras
Also present: Mike Bagwell, President, Great Lakes Central Railroad
Vice-Chair Don Monteith called the meeting to order at 10:00 a.m. Those in attendance were asked to introduce themselves.
Guest Speaker: Monteith then introduced Mike Bagwell, CEO of the Great Lakes Central Railroad, who briefed the group on the status of WALLY, the proposed Howell-Ann Arbor commuter rail service. The concept really comes from the City of Ann Arbor, which feels it has no additional space to park automobiles. About eighteen months ago, an informal coalition was formed to explore commuter rail. The state of Michigan and the director of MDOT and his staff have been very supportive. As a member of the coalition, Bagwell has been dealing with railroad operations. He favors starting with a low budget and has stated that he thinks a viable commuter service could be initiated for around $7 million.
The coalition’s consultant, R. L. Banks & Associates, favors a more expansive operation and is estimating the start up cost to be around $32 million. Representatives from R. L. Banks will be back in the area on August 6 & 7 to go over the plan with the Commissioners of Washtenaw and Livingston counties.
Bagwell admits that cities like Dallas have a really beautiful commuter rail system , but he thinks we need to crawl before we walk. In any event, he thinks Great Lakes Central would be able to begin commuter operations within 120 days of the date they get the word from the Coalition to proceed. Right now, an affiliated firm is working on 37 commuter coaches in Wisconsin. Some are being rehabilitated for Dallas and Chicago, but twelve would be held for WALLY service. Five cars currently stored in Cadillac have been severely vandalized. All are commuter cars, not Amtrak coaches. If given the go ahead, GLC would probably lease 4-5 remanufactured Amtrak locomotives.
GLC service begins at Milepost 45 on the old Ann Arbor Railroad, which is several miles north of the center of Ann Arbor. The management of the current Ann Arbor Railroad, has been resistant to operating commuter service. Bagwell stated that any arm twisting to get the Ann Arbor Railroad to change its stance will have to be done by others, not him.
Some have proposed running passenger service all the way to Traverse City. It could cost as much as $250 million to initiate such service. Strong political support would be needed.
As a general rule, Bagwell feels that passenger and freight service on the same rails do not mix well. Passengers need reliable service. At the Ann Pere diamond, where GLC crosses CSX, the current signal operates on a first come, first serve basis. Passengers might have to wait there for a CSX freight train to pass. Currently, GLC interchanges freight with the Ann Arbor Railroad at Ann Arbor, with CSX at Ann Pere and with CN at Durand.
Bagwell concluded by saying that he feels passenger trains on GlLC could run at up to 59 miles per hour except at crossings without all the bells and whistles called for by R. L. Banks. Can we afford a Cadillac at this time?
In response to a question from Charnetski, Bagwell stated that some gas tax money could go for parking lots, crossing gates and other warning devices. To access any funding, a rail authority needs to be established to make binding decisions, request funding and issue contracts. The authority would have to make the contract with GLC to operate the trains.
In response to a question from Robert Patterson, Bagwell stated that Terri Blackwell of the Washtenaw Area Transportation Study, Howell City Manager Shea Charles and Ann Arbor Transportation Planner Eli Cooper were the point people for the project.
In response to questions from Robert Patterson and Jim Slater, Bagwell confirmed that people had discussed the project with officials of the Ann Arbor Railroad and that their concerns center around liability. As to when service could begin, some are saying 2008, but the Mayor of Ann Arbor feels 2009 is a better bet.
In response to Langdon’s question about how MARP can help move this project along, Bagwell stated that the creation of a Transit Authority with taxing authority was key.
The governor prefers to work with a Transit Authority. As to the key person in getting the Authority going, Bagwell felt it would be Terri Blackwell. According to Bagwell, the paperwork has been done, but it needs to be implemented. Once created, the Authority could begin to hire staff.
Bagwell indicated that SEMCOG has taken no position on WALLY. WALLY keeps SEMCOG informed of progress, but has had no reaction one way or the other.
Bagwell stated that he felt the ridership projections were as accurate as possible. A new bridge across the Huron River at Ann Arbor is not planned at this time. However, GLC would be interested in taking over the Ypsilanti-Kalamazoo portion of Norfolk Southern.
If that happened, a connection at Ann Arbor would be in order.
Gurney recommended that the WALLY Coalition work to bring the commuter service into downtown Ann Arbor. Bagwell responded that the Ann Arbor Railroad has valid concerns over liability, which could run as high as $200 million as the commuter trains would be crossing a major bridge. Attorneys for WALLY are researching the liability issue. The Rail Authority will have to at least share liability.
Ken Henry noted that getting people out of their cars is a major issue. The Ann Arbor Transportation Authority has contracted with Indian Trails to provide commuter service from Chelsea to Ann Arbor. To date, daily ridership is 27. AATA is also looking into a commuter bus run from Canton into Ann Arbor.
Wallington stated that part of the problem is little or no coordination at the MDOT level to promote various public transportation modes. Monteith added that he felt a statewide transportation authority was needed. A Constitutional Convention would be needed to implement that. Jim Slater agreed that a coordinated statewide transportation vision is needed. Rail transportation is for the public convenience as much as highways.
Monteith noted that the Traverse City area is in the process of creating a six county transportation authority. The community was able to move $3 million from an aborted bridge project to pay for the Traverse City Grand Vision study. This group is currently talking to Mike Bagwell, whose railroad serves the area.
A motion was made by Monteith to urge creation of a Livingston-Washtenaw Bi-County Transportation Authority. With an amendment that Charnetski would serve as MARP liaison to the Authority with Gurney as his assistant, the motion was seconded by Langdon and passed.
The discussion then moved to how MARP can best assist freight railroads. Bagwell felt that some type of rail banking was critical, so that not all little used rail lines are turned into bikeways. In many cases, the real value of many short lines is its salvage value. Slater suggested that any abandoned rail line go into a rail bank for at least 25 years. Langdon recommended we table discussion until we can consult with NARP on their experience and make the issue an agenda item for next month.
As to new business for freight railroads, Chase asked about bio-fuel plants. Bagwell responded that a proposed plant at Ithaca is at a standstill due to lack of capital. A second plant has also been proposed on the Great Lakes Central line. Further discussion of freight congestion, Porter-Chicago; better connections between Great Lakes Central and Norfolk Southern and passenger-freight conflict led Langdon to recommend that MARP establish a liaison with the Executive Director of the Michigan Association of Railroads.
Robert Patterson agreed to serve as that liaison.
In response to a question from Slater, Bagwell confirmed that funds currently exist for improving freight rail capacity. As to charter service, there has been discussion with another operator about a dinner train and passenger excursions out of Mt. Pleasant. The Northern Arrow trip this summer is doubtful.
Michigan Flyer:
Ken Henry of Indian Trails briefed the group on this issue. More than a year ago, Indian Trails instituted the Michigan Flyer scheduled bus service from East Lansing, Lansing and Jackson to the Detroit Metro Airport. The Airport Authority permitted signing at Smith Terminal, but not at McNamara. About a year ago, when Ann Arbor was added to the Michigan Flyer schedule, the Airport Authority claimed that this service was in conflict with a limousine service contracted by them to serve Ann Arbor. Indian Trails was advised that if they dropped service to Ann Arbor, the problem would go away. Indian Trails contends that bus and limousine services are entirely different and should not be in conflict.
In late June, 2008, the Airport Authority announced that they were moving the Michigan Flyer stop to the opposite side of the roadway from the terminals, but would not put this in writing. The suggested new location required passengers to disembark right into the traffic. No provision was made for wheelchairs. Gordon MacKay, President of Indian Trails, has been attempting without success to set up a meeting to discuss the issue. As of July 12, Detroit Metro Airport is saying they will relocate Michigan Flyer to a different undisclosed location as of August 4. Meanwhile, all other buses are permitted to stop at more convenient locations. Michigan Flyer does pay the airport $10 per passenger to board and disembark at the airport, so fees should not be a problem. FAA says that airport authorities have the right to establish fees and designate spaces for public transportation, but not prohibit such service.
Henry feels this issue may wind up in court. He urged MARP to use whatever influence it has to help resolve the issue.
All agreed that Indian Trails was providing a valuable transportation service that should be continued. Gurney suggested contacting TRU and the Sierra Club to get them involved. It was decided that Chase would draft letters of concern to those who appoint the Airport Authority Board and that Vavra-Musser would finalize and send these letters. Most members of the Airport Authority are appointed by the Wayne County Executive, Robert Ficano. Two are appointed by the Governor. MacKay has been in contact with John Conners, one of the Governor’s appointees.
Review of Minutes: Postponed until the August meeting.
Treasurer’s Report: According to Treasurer Dave Randall, MARP had $6,055.88 in the checking account as of June 30, 2008 and the Pratt Fund was valued at $13, 676.40. As to budget performance, we are pretty much on target except for hospitality, where we have expended over twice the budgeted amount. Our operating ratio is 51.12%. Dues for membership in the Environmental Council will be paid in August. The Treasurer’s Report was approved.
Regional Coordinator Reports:
East/Central: Wallington reported that the Bluewater Promotion Committee is scheduled to meet in August. He thanked Pekarek for arranging today’s meeting.
Northern: Charter trips to Northern Michigan are still up in the air, according to Kent.
West: Westrain continues to provide imput to the MITRAIN website, Langdon reported.
For the Pere Marquette, ridership is up 8% and revenue is up 30%, as more people are paying for higher priced buckets. Amtrak plans to increase fares in all buckets by 5% this fall.
In response to a query from Vavra-Musser on how Michigan can capture some of this additional revenue, Langdon suggested that the issue be taken up with MDOT.
Metro: Hinkins reported that the pre-engineering study for the Woodward Avenue light rail line should be completed by the end of the year. A Vision Statement is expected by the end of September. SEMCOG continues to move at its usual pace on the Ann Arbor-Detroit commuter rail line. Plans for the bikeway along the abandoned Dequindre cut rail line in Detroit are proceeding from Jefferson Avenue north, but the right of way near the center city will be left open for commuter rail. The proposed bikeway will connect with the bridge to bridge river walk along the Detroit River.
Charnetski commented that planning for a new Amtrak station in Dearborn is proceeding. Robert Patterson asked that MARP not loose sight of the 3.5 acre tract in Troy that is supposed to be dedicated for a transportation center.
Old Business:
Membership: Vavra-Musser reported that 37 renewals have come in as a result of the reminder notice. He is working on a corporate membership proposal which he will present next month. He is checking with both the Ohio Association of Railroad Passengers and the Midwest High Speed Rail on their corporate membership structure.
Ohio lists sponsors in their newsletter.
In response to a query from Langdon, Randall responded that he did not think such listings would interfere with MARP’s non-profit status.
Communications: Chase urged all present to contact members of Congress who supported S.R. 6003, the Amtrak Reauthorization Bill, thank them, and urge them to push for final passage. We should also contact those who voted against the bill and continue urging them to change their stance. We also need to thank state Senator Basham for introducing Senate Resolution 200 urging greater Amtrak capacity and ask members of the Senate Appropriations Committee to act on it. She informed the group as to who were members of the Senate Appropriations Committee.
Newsletter: Valderas apologized for the delay in getting the summer edition of The Michigan Passenger out on schedule due to his flooded basement. It is now at the printer and should hit the streets in about two weeks. He asked Hinkins to take over distribution of the papers Whims used to distribute. He urged immediate distribution as the registration for the Annual Meeting is included in this issue. Kent, Monteith and Patterson agreed to help with distribution in Northern Michigan if the Northern Arrow trip materializes. Monteith will look into lodging for Patterson.
Gurney suggested adding the Algoma Central Station in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, to the distribution list. Ken Henry agreed to help distribute newsletters at Indian Trails sites.
Route Enhancement: Gurney reported that he had been tracking the WALLY and Michigan Flyer issues, discussed earlier. He discussed a recent visit to the airport and the paucity of public transportation and its lack of any signage whatsoever. Only employees seem to be aware of the existence of one SMART route. Hinkins wondered if SMART Route 220 could be extended to the airport. Patterson and Wallington agreed that more publicity was needed. Langdon expressed the fear that Detroit Metro might now allow access to buses connecting with the proposed Ann Arbor-Detroit commuter rail line. Has anyone really talked to the airport about this?
Monteith shared a letter MDOT Director Kirk Steudle had sent to Senator Jason Allen indicating that his agency would not be able to fund an extension of the Indian Trails Lansing-Boyne City bus to Charlevoix.
Public Affairs: Langdon continues to work for support of Senator Basham’s resolution urging additional routes and capacity for Amtrak in Michigan. A petition is to be circulated to all mayors in Michigan urging support for the resolution. He asked all MARP members to follow up on this effort. A lobbyist for the Midwest High Speed Rail Association spent a day in Lansing recently pushing additional trains on all routes. MARP favors pushing for a second Pere Marquette frequency first. Michigan House Bill 5008 appropriating $6.9 million for Amtrak in 2009 is now in conference committee. No immediate issues are anticipated. This will not cover funding for a second Pere Marquette.
Wallington asked about the Statewide Transit Vision being circulated. It is unclear who drafted it. Perhaps the Let’s Get Moving group. Langdon urged that MARP get its vision into this document. Wallington and Gurney agreed to follow up.
Outreach: Frezell reviewed upcoming events where MARP hopes to have a table. Gurney and Tischbein will cover the July 20 show in Redford. For the Crossroads Village-Huckleberry Railroad show, Whims and Ward will staff the table on Saturday, August 2 and Pekarek and Gurney will assist on Sunday, August 3.
New Business:
Annual Meeting: The meeting will take place on Saturday, September 20 at 10:00 a.m.at the Durand Union Station in Durand. Wallington agreed to work with Don Westcott, President of Durand Union Station, on details including food. Chase will attempt to secure a speaker.
Upcoming Meetings: The next meeting will be on Saturday, August 16, at 10:15 a.m. at the Public Library in St. Joseph. Vavra-Musser is trying to get a speaker from the Midwest High Speed Rail Association.
The meeting schedule is:
August 16 Public Library St. Joseph 10:15 a.m.
September 20 Durand Union Station Durand 10:00 a.m.
October 18 TBA Kalamazoo 11:00 a.m.
November 15 TBA Dearborn 10:00 a.m.
Other Business:
Robert Patterson handed out a proposal for a Lottery for Transit for discussion at the next meeting.
Hinkins agreed to provide maps of all rail lines abandoned since 2002 at the next meeting. -7-
Charnetski described how helpful Amtrak personnel were when his son took ill on a recent trip from Chicago to Ann Arbor.
Adjournment: The meeting adjourned at 12:15 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Hugh D. Gurney, Secretary
Approved:
John DeLora, Chair
Minutes – May 10, 2008 – Holland
MICHIGAN ASSOCIATION OF RAILROAD PASSENGERS
General Membership Meeting
Padnos Transportation Center, Holland
May 10, 2008
Those signing in: Hugh Gurney, Dave Randall, John DeLora, Don Monteith, Dick Pekarek, June Troost, J. R. Valderas, Richard Klecka, Jim Hinkins, John Langdon, Clark Charnetski, Steve T. Sobel, Rich Vavra-Musser, Jack Kessler, Kay Chase
Also present: Al McGeehan, Mayor of Holland
Chairman DeLora called the meeting to order at 10:05 a.m.
Guest Speaker: Mayor McGeehan welcomed the group to Holland and to the 79th annual Tulip Time. Over 600,000 people attend Tulip Time and McGeehan sees Amtrak as one way to move people to the festival. He spoke of a recent trip to Italy and the seamless movement from air to safe, affordable, clean and convenient public rail. Unfortunately, the comprehensive passenger rail system we once had in the U.S. deteriorated as families moved from one car to two and then to three in many cases. With gasoline now $4.00 a gallon, we need to demand a new vision for transportation. The rest of the industrialized world is now way ahead of us.
McGeehan is grateful for the once a day Amtrak connection to Chicago, but feels this is inadequate. In addition, Holland should have a morning train from Chicago and an evening train to Chicago. MARP has the power of truth on its side and should be talking to mayors across the state about expanded rail service.
McGeehan stated it was insane for Amtrak not to rehabilitate damaged rail coaches and get them back in service. If a manufacturer sees a demand for his product, he produces more of that product. Amtrak should do the same. The state of Michigan should be pushing Amtrak on this. Adequate rail service is part of economic development.
In response to a query from DeLora, McGeehan stated that he would write any letter or attend any meeting that would further the prospects of a second Pere Marquette.
As a follow up to comments by Monteith, McGeehan urged more decision makers to go to Europe and see how transportation works there. The U. S. is still in a 50 year old paradigm that is no longer sustainable.
Minutes were reviewed. After correction of the spelling of DeLora’s name, approval was moved by DeLora, seconded by Sobel, and approved.
Treasurer’s Report was presented by Treasurer Dave Randall. As of April 30, 2008, the checking account had a balance of $6,662.49 and the Pratt Fund was valued at $14,614.82. Results include a $150.00 donation from the Steam Institute and a $747.68 expense for the most recent newsletter. The printer is now invoicing us for UPS charges.
In response to a request from Langdon, Randall agreed to adding the approved budget to his monthly report for comparison. Charnetski moved approval, seconded by Hinkins, and the Treasurer’s Report was approved.
Regional Coordinator Reports:
East/Central: Pekarek displayed copies of the National Train Day proclamations issued by the Mayor of Flint and the City Council of Flint. Copies of these have been posted at the Flint Amtrak station. Pekarek thanked Kay Chase for providing the prototype. Blue Water trains are still frequently late, sometimes held up in Port Huron, sometimes in Durand, sometimes at Porter, Indiana. Poor on time performance makes it difficult to push the product.
West: Chase displayed a similar National Train Day proclamation from Kalamazoo and stated that Train Day had received good coverage. The Michigan Model Railroad Association is holding a reception in honor of train day at the Kalamazoo Amtrak station.
Langdon reported on the issuance of a proclamation by the City of Holland and the ceremony held upon the arrival of the Pere Marquette that morning. The CVB participated and Meijer donated a beautiful cake. Ceremonies were also held at Bangor, St. Joseph, New Buffalo and Durand. For 2009, Langdon urged early planning so that National Train Day can be a major MARP event. Chase suggested that this could be called Michigan Train Day.
April ridership on the Pere Marquette line was up, but down on the other Michigan routes. Langdon attributes this to the fact that Easter was in March in 2008. He expressed frustration at the “illegal” connection between the eastbound California Zephyr and Train #37l, forcing Pere Marquette riders to go to Kalamazoo. MARP should make this an opportunity.
Langdon pointed to Page 15 of the recently released report of the Tourism Task Force which discusses the need for public transit connections including Amtrak’s Thruway busses. Charnetski noted that the current MDOT Transportation map shows airports throughout the state, but not rail stations.
Langdon reported that he and Kay Chase had a very profitable day at the Michigan Municipal League meeting in Lansing. Mayor McGeehan was very helpful. They were able to hand out draft resolutions urging the addition of a second Pere Marquette frequency as a means of promoting tourism and economic development. North Muskegon has already passed its resolution.
Vavra-Musser introduced member Jack Kessler who serves as host for the St. Joseph station, reporting weekly to the City and Amtrak on conditions at that facility. Kessler was thanked for his diligence.
Metro: Hinkins reported progress on the Woodward Avenue light rail project. Pre-engineering will be completed this fall. For a video of the ride from Comerica Park to the State Fair Grounds, check out www.dtogs.com Things are not progressing as well on the Ann Arbor-Detroit commuter rail project, with a start date now of late 2010. Some, including Ann Arbor Transportation Coordinator Eli Cooper, are promoting an interim commuter bus service operated by Indian Trails.
Charnetski added that the Ann Arbor Transportation Authority has an $80 million federal grant to fund Chelsea-Ann Arbor commuter bus service by Indian Trails. In response to a query from Monteith, Hinkins stated that this funding could probably go for rail as well.
As to WALLY, Livingston County is now in and a Transportation Authority is being established. This could be expanded to the seven county SEMCOG area. A success with WALLY could stimulate other transit developments. Eli Cooper recently informed Charnetski that a feasibility study for WALLY is now underway and galley cars are available for the service.
OLD BUSINESS:
Michigan Day: Langdon reported that plans are coming along well. He, Monteith, Valderas and Ten Brink will represent MARP. This is good coalition building for us. Last year, Travel Michigan handed out 5,000 brochures. Grand Haven, Holland, Saugatuck/Douglas will be represented with interest at least as far north as Whitehall. Monteith suggested promoting the connection to St. Ignace via Indian Trails as a means of making the Thruway Service better known. We should also work to promote connections to the ferries at Muskegon and Ludington.
Membership: Vavra-Musser urged the regional chairs to contact those members who have expressed interest in being more involved. A renewal reminder will be going out in the near future. Chase urged that we collect and utilize members’ e-mail addresses.
Communications: Chase reported that the National Park Service was doing a big event at Golden Spike National Historic Site in Utah in honor of National Train Day. Charnetski reported on a very nice piece on National Train Day on NPR this morning. In response to a request from Monteith, Chase stated she would prepare a standard thank you to be sent to speakers.
The MARP website has been down a lot recently and Webmaster Sobczak recommends changing providers. It was moved by Langdon and seconded by Randall that Chase be authorized to work with Sobczak on finding a new provider. The motion passed.
Outreach: Langdon handed out the Outreach Schedule and asked members to add their names if willing to staff an event, then return the schedule to him. For Mount Pleasant, Valderas suggested handing out material around the Mountain Town Restaurant. Vavra-Musser asked people staffing an event to mark the membership brochures so he could determine which event produced the new membership. Troost suggested that we contact Michigan Traveler Magazine. It was pointed out that the Spring/Summer 2008 Amtrak National Timetable has several nice views of Michigan.
Route Enhancement: Gurney reported that he had sent information to a media contact in the Houghton area, urging her to write a piece on the new Amtrak Thruway Connection to that part of the state. Langdon is urging CVB’s to add links to Amtrak and Indian Trails to help potential visitors get to their communities. Charnetski reported on the dismal marking of Indian Trails bus stations and bus stops in the UP. Langdon suggested that those interested in better wayfinding signs contact the MDOT Regional Office for that part of the state to get the ball rolling. DeLora suggested taking the FHA Sign Manual with you on such a call to show exactly what was required.
Chase reported some confusion on where the Indian Trails bus stops actually are. On a recent trip, she was dropped at a site other than the one the schedule indicated.
Langdon stated that Indian Trails is truly appreciative of MARP’s efforts to better publicize their routes.
Langdon urged MARP to get more involved with the Let’s Get Moving Coalition and get them to view Amtrak as a link in the public transit network. MARP had four representatives at last year’s legislative day. We should strive for eight next year.
NEW BUSINESS:
Detroit River Crossing: DeLora noted that this is really a project to turn the existing Detroit rail tunnel into a truck tunnel, then build a new rail tunnel. In his opinion, the project is unnecessary as the projected need is only 90% of current capacity. If passenger train service was restored, that could eliminate 1,000 cars per day on the Ambassador Bridge/Detroit-Windsor Tunnel. DeLora plans to get his comments in within two weeks.
Charnetski expressed the opinion that a new rail tunnel may be needed, as not all double stacked cars and auto carriers can go through the existing tunnel A tunnel like the one at Port Huron is needed. A new tunnel would allow for electrification.
DeLora expressed concern about the 8,000 trucks per day the proposal would put through Detroit’s Mexicantown area. Furthermore, the project will be 100% Canadian funded and he fears all the jobs will go to Canadians.
State Matching Grants: DeLora plans to review proposed federal-state matching grant proposals with Al Johnson of MDOT. Projects under consideration at this time are the West Detroit connection between Norfolk Southern and CN, extension of CSX trackage into the Grand Rapids Transportation Center, a station track at Battle Creek and a second track at the Ann Arbor station. Gurney asked that DeLora talk to members familiar with the Blue Water route to see if any projects would qualify on that line.
Vavra-Musser has read that the grant program may be $400 million next year. Chase said that, according to Progressive Rail, the $400 million may be spread over several years.
Other:
Langdon reported that the Grand Rapids station will become a staffed station in the near future. The position now at Port Huron will be reallocated to Grand Rapids.
DeLora reported on the recent NARP Board Meeting, attended by himself, Phillips and Vavra-Musser. They met with all the Michigan Congressional delegation. All seemed positive. The combination of scarce foreign oil and high gasoline prices has created a real storm in Washington.
CEO Rose of BNSF spoke candidly to the group. Though he would prefer not to have passenger service on his road, he stated that he will maximize Amtrak incentives and see that the trains run on time. BNSF wants to see rail investment that benefits them, but are nervous about federal involvement.
Congressmen Mica and Oberstar, co-authors of the Amtrak Reauthorization Bill in the House of Representatives both spoke. Mica is very positive about a national passenger rail system, but would like to see private contractors running much of the system instead of Amtrak.
DeLora concluded by saying that the momentum for rail is now there.
As to the $50 million bill to promote tourism, Monteith indicated he would talk to Zingermann as to its use for rail and motor coach transportation.
Langdon reported that groundbreaking on the new New Buffalo station will take place soon.
Valderas asked for comments on the latest Michigan Passenger. It was suggested that he add a section on what was happening with passenger rail in adjacent states.
Referring to the Presidential campaign, Monteith noted that Obama had spoken at Beech Grove on the need for rail passenger service. Chase reported that Clinton’s website stresses the need to improve infrastructure including rail.
Randall passed around a recently received memo from the Surface Transportation Board indicating that it had approved CN’s application to acquire the Elgin, Jolliet and Eastern. No mention is made of the proposed Grand Crossing in Chicago. Charnetski stated that this had been reported in the latest edition of Trains magazine.
Hinkins expressed concern that the State Transportation Task Force has few representatives for transit. The Michigan Railroad Association is not positive about Amtrak. Chase added that rail is not really involved. DeLora urged that new construction be suspended and that available funds be utilized for existing road repair.
Chase expressed hope that the Governor’s Environmental Group would offer an opportunity as rail can move 4-5 times as much freight with the same energy output. The environmental law group is exploring more use of electricity. Vavra-Musser urged that MARP build alliances with environmental groups.
The meeting adjourned at 12:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Hugh D. Gurney, Secretary
Approved:
John DeLora, Chair
Minutes – April 19, 2008 – Standish
General Membership Meeting
Standish Welcome Center, Standish
April 19, 2008
Those signing in: Hugh Gurney, Andrew Kent, Bob Tischbein, John DeLora, Jim Hinkins, Rich Vavra-Musser, Dave Randall, John Langdon, Burton Ten Brink, Clark Charnetski, Kay Chase, Robert Patterson, Kay Patterson
Also present: State Senator Jim Barcia, Curt Hillman, Chair, Heritage Route Authority
1) Call to Order: Chairman DeLora called the meeting to order at 10:15 a.m.
2) Speaker: DeLora introduced State Senator Jim Barcia from Bay City, who represents the counties of Arenac, where Standish is located, Bay, Tuscola, Huron & Sanilac.
Barcia spoke at some length of his support for both passenger and freight rail as key parts of the transportation network and as a way to conserve fossil fuels. Rail is definitely the most economical way to move both passengers and freight.
Barcia spoke of a $50 million tourism package being considered by the legislature. If passed, part of this money could promote excursions by charter bus and rail. Barcia expressed concern that rail companies in Michigan are being hurt by MDOT’s insistence that they bear the brunt of repairing rail crossings damaged mainly by heavy truck traffic. Lake State Railroad, which serves Standish, has been directed to repair ten crossings at a cost of $200,000 each. They may be forced to tear up portions of their system and sell the rails for scrap.
Highway bonds issued during the Engler administration can now be renegotiated at lower interest rates, This will free up around $700 million annually for infrastructure improvements in coming years. Barcia said he would support in the Senate the $7.9 million Amtrak appropriation passed by the House of Representatives.
Barcia praised the people of Standish for the beautiful restoration to the depot. He urged MARP members to get to know their legislators.
With the floor open for questions and comments, DeLora suggested that Barcia talk with Representative Marie Donigan for advice on how to form a rail caucus.
Langdon expressed concern that the Amtrak appropriation was really $6.9 million, lower than the Governor’s previous year request of $7.1 million. Langdon urged Barcia to get the $6.9 million currently under consideration increased to $7.1 million. Barcia speculated that unencumbered sales tax revenue could be redirected to transportation.
Barcia seemed positive about using part of the $50 million tourism package to fund a second Pere Marquette frequency bringing more Chicago people into Michigan. He felt such a train could go all the way to Traverse City.
In response to Vavra-Musser’s concern that we must move beyond just maintaining what currently exists, Barcia advised that we educate, educate, educate. MARP needs to work with the media and with allied groups including rail freight and those concerned with the environment and global warming. He stated his support for lower weight limits on trucks, better bases on highways, better railbeds, the acquisition of both freight and passenger rail cars and the linking of passenger rail with public transit in Michigan cities and towns.
2) Chairman’s Report: DeLora reported that both he and Dwight Phillips have been reelected to the NARP Board. Mike Whims has resigned as both Executive Director and Metro Regional Coordinator. Jim Hinkins has agreed to take on the duties of Metro Regional Coordinator. The appointment of Jim Hinkins to Metro Regional Coordinator was moved by Langdon, seconded by Randall, and approved by the membership present.
3) Treasurer’s Report: Randall reported that the balance in the checking account was $7,512.31 as of March 31, 2008 and the value of the Pratt Fund was $14,057.89. Approval of the Treasurer’s Report was moved by Robert Patterson, seconded by Charnetski, and approved by the membership present.
Randall then presented a proposed operating budget for Calendar Year 2008, showing $9,300.00 in income and $8,346.00 in expenses. Highlights include a call for $3,000.00 in contributions, $2,500.00 in grants to other organizations, and a $500.00 transfer from the checking account to the Pratt Fund. After discussion on the history of the Pratt Fund and its purpose as a long term investment to be tapped only when its interest and dividends will cover total operating expenses, Langdon moved acceptance of the 2008 budget. The motion was seconded by Chase and approved by the membership present.
Randall reported that he will continue to research the prospects of a MARP raffle, but his findings to date are not positive. MARP does not appear to meet the criteria of the Michigan Department of Gaming and could run afoul of the IRS, which requires that no revenue can provide a personal benefit to any member. A better avenue may be seeking corporate sponsors.
4) Regional Coordinator Reports:
Metro: Gurney reported that Livingston County has approved $15,000 toward a study on the feasibility of WALLY, the proposed commuter rail line from Howell to Ann Arbor. The City of Howell will serve as fiduciary agent for this study. Gurney also reported that the Ann Arbor Transportation Authority has contracted with Indian Trails to provide commuter bus service between Chelsea and several points in Ann Arbor. The service will be funded by a federal grant for two years.
Northern: Kent informed the group that two excursion trains were planned for 2008, one on August 9, Bay City-West Branch and the second on October 4, which will run Bay City-Grayling. The 1225 steam locomotive will not operate through Standish during 2008.
Western: Langdon reported that Westrain will have $200,000 to spend for promotion in 2008, $100,000 appropriated this year and $100,000 that was appropriated but frozen last year. They plan to focus on promoting mid week travel, mainly through the internet.
The New Buffalo platform is back on track. The City of New Buffalo is slated to approve the agreement next week. Langdon, Monteith and others are working on the Michigan Day promotion at Chicago Union Station, May 12-13.
Based on a recommendation by the Tourism Task Force, Westrain will be working more closely with the Convention and Tourist Bureaus in western Michigan. Gordon MacKay has been introduced to the Tourism Task Force and is working with them.
5) OLD BUSINESS;
Ride the Train: Robert Patterson plans to have buttons made for Earth Day and distribute them at the Dearborn train station on that day along with MARP brochures. The cost will be around $230.00. Langdon recalled that $500.00 had been approved earlier for the committee. Chase commented that if the buttons are well received in Dearborn, we could hand them out at the Green Fair in Ann Arbor in June. Vavra-Musser moved that Patterson have buttons made for handing out in Dearborn on Earth Day. Tischbein seconded the motion and it was approved by the membership present.
Membership: Vavra-Musser passed out current membership statistics, a list of new members who have indicated they want to be more involved and a list of ten possible work activities these members might consider. Regional Coordinators will be asked to contact these members and review options with them. In the discussion that followed, it was agreed that station “host” was a better work that station “agent”. Three states, North Carolina, Texas and California currently have station hosts. Langdon felt MDOT would be willing to cover the liability insurance for station hosts.
As to increasing membership, Hinkins suggested that we ask TRU to include a membership ad in their newsletter.. DeLora pointed out that All Aboard Ohio sends out 200 solicitations every two weeks with a 4% return. Chase added that all of those who attended the March meeting in Toledo are now receiving the All Aboard Ohio newsletter and other membership information.
Vavra-Musser will be sending out renewal reminders to all who have not yet renewed for 2008.
Communication: Chase asked all Board Members present to review their listing in the newsletter and make corrections if necessary. She asked that comments on the website be directed through her.
Outreach: Langdon passed out the current Events Schedule for 2008-2009. He has VIA Rail material he will deliver to Gurney for the exhibit in Durand, May 17-18. Kent reported that the MARP table was well received in Mount Pleasant and that the mayor of Alma had asked for membership information.
Bus Connections: Langdon passed out an article from the Charlevoix Courier supporting the extension of the Indian Trails Lansing-Boyne Falls bus into Charlevoix. So far, this extension has not been approved by MDOT, so will not happen by May 1. A petition signed by many at the Michigan Municipal League meeting in Lansing will be used to encourage a favorable decision from MDOT.
The Traverse City Area Vision Study has been expanded to six counties.
Since Indian Trails has been operating the bus service in the UP, ridership is up 50—70%. A
s to Wisconsin service, DeLora reported that Al Johnson, who manages MDOT’s intercity bus and train operations, has been in contact with his counterpart in Wisconsin.
In addition to discussing enhanced service between Milwaukee and the UP, they are also considering extension of Indian Trails service to Duluth.
Charnetski suggested signing all Indian Trails Thruway bus stops with Amtrak signage to emphasize the Amtrak connection. DeLora agreed to discuss this with Gordon MacKay. Langdon will seek advice from the MDOT representative in Holland. A discussion followed as to whether or not MDOT was adhering to the FHA Manual in signing train stations.
6) NEW BUSINESS:
State Matching Grants: DeLora indicated he would like MARP to suggest a list of possible projects that could be accomplished under the new grant program initiated by FRA, where the federal government will pay 50% of easy to do, inexpensive projects that would improve passenger rail travel. MDOT has already agreed to go with improvements to the West Detroit interchange as its first priority. Other projects suggested were a station track at Battle Creek, relocating the Grand Rapids Amtrak station to the transportation center, adding a second track at Ann Arbor, expanding the parking lot at Ann Arbor, and bringing platforms at St. Joseph and the Pere Marquette station at New Buffalo into compliance with handicapped regulations. Chase reminded all that any improvements must be included in the state’s long range transportation improvement plan. DeLora urged members to e-mail suggestions to him.
National Train Day: Chase shared a proclamation she had drafted in honor of National Train Day which is slated to be approved by the Kalamazoo City Council. She will share her template with others and urged them to have similar proclamations approved by each city and town served by Amtrak. She suggested that such proclamations be read at the various train stations on May 10 as a media event. Robert Patterson suggested that county governments could also issue similar proclamations.
After some discussion, it was decided to have the May Board meeting on May 10 as planned. Vavra-Musser urged that we start planning for 2009 now.
Porter-Chicago Track Improvements: Gurney asked what we, as residents of Michigan, could do to see that one or more additional tracks are laid along the old New York Central right of way to improve traffic flow through Indiana and Illinois. DeLora suggested a quid pro quo approach in which MDOT agrees to extend the Positive Train Control zone east of Kalamazoo in exchange for Indiana and Illinois improving train flow west of Porter. There are strong rumors that Norfolk Southern wants to transfer its tracks from Kalamazoo to Ypsilanti to either Amtrak or MDOT. Since this is really a high speed rail project, Langdon suggested working with Rick Harnish of the Midwest High Speed Rail Association. He doubts that Indiana will put any money into the project. Langdon agreed with Charnetski that CREATE was viable and would cost no more than one interstate highway interchange.
Railvolution: DeLora stated that he would like someone from MARP to attend the Railvolutions Conference in California in late October. The sessions cover a wide variety of topics including public transit, bike trails, etc. After some discussion, Langdon moved that MARP pay up to $1,000.00 to cover travel costs to California by Amtrak, food, lodging, and registration fees. The motion was seconded by Vavra-Musser and approved, with Robert Patterson abstaining. Patterson had indicated he might be able to attend.
OTHER BUSINESS:
Langdon reported that he and Kay Chase had attended a session in Chicago put on by the Environmental Law and Policy Group in Chicago. They also attended a recent meeting of the Michigan Municipal League in Lansing. The United Transportation Union passed out petitions urging the full funding of Amtrak and the inauguration of a second Pere Marquette frequency. The petitions were signed by 120 municipal officials.
Langdon talked with a woman from Muskegon who is working on an Amtrak Thuway connection at Holland. Such a connection would also permit travel from Muskegon to Milwaukee via the high speed ferry.
In response to a question, Langdon reported that Amtrak has 140 passenger cars out of service for various reasons. They need capital to repair them.
Vavra-Musser urged MARP to push to assure that the additional $500,000 Amtrak earned last year in Michigan is used to benefit Michigan. We need additional equipment. Langdon responded that the state appropriation can only be used for the Amtrak contract, The legislature would have to vote to expend any savings on the contract for other purposes such as equipment. At Langdon’s urging, DeLora agreed to try to find out exactly how much the state appropriation is and exactly what it can be used for at his May meeting with MDOT.
Charnetski reported on a model train show scheduled for the Arbor Brewing Company in Ann Arbor on June 8.
MINUTES: The minutes of the February 23, 2008 meeting in Durand were reviewed. One correction was noted. Approval of the minutes was moved by Langdon, seconded by Vavra-Musser and agreed to by the members present.
The meeting adjourned at 1:10 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Hugh D. Gurney, Secretary
Approved:
John DeLora, Chair